BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY HE IS ABOUT TWO THINGS
FAME AND MONEY AT ANYONE'S COST
Patrick Scott Patterson I have little sentimental value for any of this stuff given the bum steer I was given by a series of ownerships by this point, not to mention certain people who, despite not being there until about 15 minutes ago, are so far up the current owner's ass they might as well call themselves an enema. You do make a decent point though, John, that some of this might have financial value. Combine that with abandoned property laws and this does create an interesting scenario, eh?
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D.s. Cohen Donate any of the arcade and video game stuff to the University of Texas video game archive. http://www.cah.utexas.edu/proj.../videogamearchive/index.php
UT Videogame Archive - Mission
The UT Videogame Archive seeks to preserve and protect the work of videogame developers, publishers and...
cah.utexas.edu
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John Bud i'm scottish bud " a penny spent is a penny wasted " lol.
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Patrick Scott Patterson That'd be an interesting thing, D.S. Now, for the record, I do have my own archive going here... but for the stuff that I don't want, such as this old "world record" footage, that might be an interesting alternative.
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John Bud if the vids hold the records, why not digitise them and stick them online. lots of people post on you tube as a tutorial
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Patrick Scott Patterson Hmmmm.
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Stephen Boyer I THINK I still have some old TG paperwork that was sent to me over the years. I had to buy containers to store these recordings but never a storage unit. Also, I know all these Storage Wars shows are as fake as Jerry Springer but wouldn't it be so funny to have someone win a storage unit and find all these game recordings and it shows up on TV? LOL
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Patrick Scott Patterson Yeah... it became too much of a hassle to store at home so we eventually stashed them in the unit. Takes up quite a bit of space in there. We never actually go into the unit for anything other than Christmas decor, so there's no way to justify continuing to pay on it... so we're going to clean it out.
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Stephen Boyer A lot of the recordings were on VHS too.
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Patrick Scott Patterson True, though the last year of my time there saw more discs come in.
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Stephen Boyer Yep, same here or maybe even on Youtube.
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Jeff Fincher Have you considered the Frisco Video Game History Museum?
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Patrick Scott Patterson I hesitate to donate to any video game museums until something is long established in a physical location. Learned my lesson with the stuff I sent to Iowa a few years back. Lost forever?
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Jeff Fincher Good point
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Patrick Scott Patterson For now, I'll support efforts but am curating my own archives for the foreseeable future
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John Pompa Any chance of people whom may have sent them to you, contact you and get them back if they wanted, meaning they would pay you for shipping and packaging?
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D.s. Cohen The UT archive would be happy to accept anything you don't want/need for your own archive. Let me know if you are interested and I can put you in touch with the right folks.
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D.s. Cohen The UT archive is not a museum, but a public archive that anyone can access.
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David Oxford Sorry, guess I was just thinking worst-case scenario if you didn't want the stuff and had nothing else to do with it... But it looks like there are some interesting options out there.
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Chris Teter Why not just donate it back to TG somehow? I believe you can still get ahold of someone over there who might see value in preserving the history as best as possible. I would see that as the ideal solution, partially because then you could ask them to move it, digitize, etc.
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Patrick Scott Patterson And why would I want to do that, given the treatment of me there, being shorted thousands by previous owner and 4 years of storage fees on this stuff? TG gets nothing donated by me ever again. Gave plenty already.
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Josh Jones Scott, Ive done work with the UT Archive before, as a matter of fact, Lonnie McDonald and I did a huge donation for them, and they were just amazing to work with. They even traveled to Killeen to get the items. Just throwing my two cents into a dollar conversation
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Patrick Scott Patterson I don't doubt they are good people, but that still doesn't ensure me they'll be around 100 years from now. No offense to them, but nobody in the video game world is our Cooperstown yet, and unless I have reason to feel they are I reserve judgement. Noted example of Ottuma HOF & Museum already. I'll probably never get that stuff back. Didn't think the city would pull the plug on that but there you go.
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Tony Temple What was the situation regarding ownership of these tapes Scott? When someone submitted a score, did the tape become property of TG?
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Tina McVey Scott given the fact that you have recently talked so whole hearly of Connor Mchalek the first person to receive the "warrior award" why not offer a certain amount for the whole shibang and donate the cash to his foundation. It sounds like you dont wan...See More
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Patrick Scott Patterson I've looked into that. Since they were all mailed to my address and addressed to me by name, postal regulations may determine that they were immediately owned by the person addressed. That is moot here, though, since abandoned property laws are clear and the time has long passed for it in Texas. I made the effort with Pete to arrange for him to take possession... still have the entire e-mail exchange... but he changed his mind when he learned how much I have. Websignia-era crew didn't care when I made them aware and the current ownership knows I have this stuff and don't want it, yet has made no efforts... which would also be moot anyway, since this legally became abandoned property long before his buyout anyway. That doesn't mean I'm gonna sell it or YouTube it or build a fort with it all... but legally I could. For today it all continues to sit in the storage unit while we cleaned out the stuff that was in there with it all.
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Patrick Scott Patterson Shorter answer on that Tony is that, at least during my time there, these were treated as contest entries would be, meaning they become property of who they were sent to. The abandoned property laws came into effect later.
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Patrick Scott Patterson Tina... that actually crossed my mind today. That exact same thing... other than the 'not wanting TG to have it back' part. They can... but I'm not donating it back to them as someone else suggested. Gave enough to that joint for free already. But yeah... toss it up in a way that provides to Operation Supply Drop and Connor's Cure and to some extent recoup the thousands in storage fees I've dropped on this stuff over the past four years when I could have just tossed it long ago as others did.
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Tina McVey that has to be a huge undertaking going thru years and years of your life that you spent so much of your time away from your family.
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Tina McVey oh I get it I really do, I just want to see some good come out of all those years they took from you and your family
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Patrick Scott Patterson Tina McVey - I was stunned today to learn just how much space was taken up in there by this stuff. I could have used that room to store several refrigerators. Now, as I noted at first... a lot of it is it fluff.... tapes filled with "Fastest lap, mirror mode, track 5982" stuff on racing games nobody ever played and the like. I'm willing to bet I found maybe 15% of that stuff interesting at the time... and this amount doesn't even cover the MAME verifications. That said, before anyone pulls the "you volunteered for that" card... no, I didn't. Pete made promises he bailed on and everything I did I did under the belief that it was all leading to fufilment of his deals with me. Thank you for being one of the few people who still seems to remember that along with the ungodly amount of time I put in. I wish to move on now in a way that makes the most sense.
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Tina McVey just when its all said and done Scott you can look back on all of it and look at your family and say thank you for the countless hours and blood sweat and tears that you suffered at the hands of it all, and as a result here is what I have choosen to do with it, something that I can look upon down the road and know that it will help someone and that those blood sweat and tears and late night hours and time away from you wasnt for nothing.
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Pick Flair ..i'm currently paying monthly storage for years and years wrestling tapes and memorabilia.. i have stuff from the age of eight through age 39.. a wife a three kids after all these years and it became too much stuff for the house.. i don't consider any of it a waste of time..it made me who i am, lol.. don't know what i'm gonna do with it, but not gonna get rid of anything on the fly.. i have stuff i've never seen anywhere in pristine condition.. started collecting as a kid and when i got older and realized i had blessed my adult self when i was younger with rare gems and met traders and sellers, i just bought more stuff and never sold or traded any of my stuff..
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Lonnie McDonald My concern for you Scott is not what to do with it as it certainly could be deemed as abandon but how to proceed.
1. Send legal notice to Twin Galaxies current ownership Requiring signature. ...See More
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Robert T Mruczek Depends on the state you are in, Scott. In my own the law was quite clear. I mad a good faith effort for eight (8) months...240 days to be precise...to get the tapes picked up by TG OR to send me the funds to ship them out. So, after exhausting all options, and being pressured to get rid of them at home, I considered them abandoned property under NYS Abandoned Property Law.
I never signed a contract with TG nor was I ever a paid employee...therefore, letter of the law, I was neither staffer nor freelancer...I was a volunteer.
While I was under no LEGAL obligation at that point to turn them back, I was still concerned at the personal data contained on the player submission agreement forms. Considering that has name address birthdate AND signature, identity theft was a concern of mine, so I made arrangements to get the tapes delivered by a trusted source to a trusted custodian that was still a TG volunteer.
My hands are clean in the process. I would certainly never try to pawn off the tapes or try to sell them to third parties or benefit monetarily from the tapes when I had them.
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Robert T Mruczek BTW...considering that some of these tapes are now approaching 30 years old, oxide-degradation is a concern.
Starting the long process of sorting thousands of hours of these old TG submissions I've been paying storage on for years, which have become my property under abandoned property laws.
Here's how the first sort is going.
- All submission paperwork is being destroyed for identity safety.
- Unlabeled videotapes are being junked
- Filler records are being junked
The rest will come home with me. What happens from there I'll decide then.
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Patrick Scott Patterson Robert: The law is clear here, too. As of right here, from any angle, I'm the legal owner of every bit of this stuff. That said, if the tapes were put into the hands of other people sure enough the forms wouldn't go with them. The forms will likely be disposed of as soon as I pull this stuff out of the unit. As far as a "benefit" monetarily... considering the monies I was screwed out of previously and the money I've put into storing these, I don't see room for any "benefit"... not like I'd be gaining anything. I didn't say I was planning to auction or sell the lot but rather stating that I could do so legally if chose. As I awake this morning with plans to go finish the storage unit today I still have not made a full decision on the best way to handle this from my seat... and it will be what I determine is the best option from my seat, nobody else's. I've done far more than my share to keep this stuff in tact this long.
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Tina McVey you have been more then gracious with all of this, so has your family, time to be done with it Scott this chapter is done and time to move onto to another one
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Patrick Scott Patterson You get it, Tina. I'm sure this, as even the most simple of my posts, will be misinterpreted and overanalyzed in some circles as 33 things other than what it really is: A desire to fully move on. Hell, some accuse me of NOT moving on from that chapter, so they have little reason to question this. This is my property to do with what I want, and I will take the easiest and quickest option that makes the most sense to me and my family. Honestly not required to think of anybody else in this situation, though I'll be happy to work with those who reach out to me and wish to re-acquire their own stuff in a polite manner. Me and my family already sacrificed enough with this stuff to give any more.
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George Leutz I would take them if I could. I would have a video glitch artist make art with them live at shows, while my band plays. But I'm not at that point yet. This just gave me that idea though, so thanks:)
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Patrick Scott Patterson That's quite a cool idea, really.
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Chris Teter Sorry if I offended. I don't know the full history of TG since I'm newer to the competitive gaming world (since GGA opened). Totally understand wanting to move on. I like George's idea. I'm sure a ton of them can be discarded, and some are already dying if not dead as RTM pointed out. Still, I hope if there are any gems in there, they get preserved in digital format. Like others, I kind of wish I had the time, space, and means to make that happen.
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RIGHTS LAWS OR NOT WHERE THE FUCK IS THIS DISGRACEFUL MANS ETHICS OR MORALES
BRAGGING ABOUT OTHERS MATERIALS EVEN MY OWN IS ON THERE
FAME AND MONEY AT ANYONE'S COST
Patrick Scott Patterson I have little sentimental value for any of this stuff given the bum steer I was given by a series of ownerships by this point, not to mention certain people who, despite not being there until about 15 minutes ago, are so far up the current owner's ass they might as well call themselves an enema. You do make a decent point though, John, that some of this might have financial value. Combine that with abandoned property laws and this does create an interesting scenario, eh?
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D.s. Cohen Donate any of the arcade and video game stuff to the University of Texas video game archive. http://www.cah.utexas.edu/proj.../videogamearchive/index.php
UT Videogame Archive - Mission
The UT Videogame Archive seeks to preserve and protect the work of videogame developers, publishers and...
cah.utexas.edu
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John Bud i'm scottish bud " a penny spent is a penny wasted " lol.
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Patrick Scott Patterson That'd be an interesting thing, D.S. Now, for the record, I do have my own archive going here... but for the stuff that I don't want, such as this old "world record" footage, that might be an interesting alternative.
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John Bud if the vids hold the records, why not digitise them and stick them online. lots of people post on you tube as a tutorial
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Patrick Scott Patterson Hmmmm.
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Stephen Boyer I THINK I still have some old TG paperwork that was sent to me over the years. I had to buy containers to store these recordings but never a storage unit. Also, I know all these Storage Wars shows are as fake as Jerry Springer but wouldn't it be so funny to have someone win a storage unit and find all these game recordings and it shows up on TV? LOL
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Patrick Scott Patterson Yeah... it became too much of a hassle to store at home so we eventually stashed them in the unit. Takes up quite a bit of space in there. We never actually go into the unit for anything other than Christmas decor, so there's no way to justify continuing to pay on it... so we're going to clean it out.
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Stephen Boyer A lot of the recordings were on VHS too.
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Patrick Scott Patterson True, though the last year of my time there saw more discs come in.
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Stephen Boyer Yep, same here or maybe even on Youtube.
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Jeff Fincher Have you considered the Frisco Video Game History Museum?
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Patrick Scott Patterson I hesitate to donate to any video game museums until something is long established in a physical location. Learned my lesson with the stuff I sent to Iowa a few years back. Lost forever?
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Jeff Fincher Good point
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Patrick Scott Patterson For now, I'll support efforts but am curating my own archives for the foreseeable future
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John Pompa Any chance of people whom may have sent them to you, contact you and get them back if they wanted, meaning they would pay you for shipping and packaging?
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D.s. Cohen The UT archive would be happy to accept anything you don't want/need for your own archive. Let me know if you are interested and I can put you in touch with the right folks.
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D.s. Cohen The UT archive is not a museum, but a public archive that anyone can access.
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David Oxford Sorry, guess I was just thinking worst-case scenario if you didn't want the stuff and had nothing else to do with it... But it looks like there are some interesting options out there.
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Chris Teter Why not just donate it back to TG somehow? I believe you can still get ahold of someone over there who might see value in preserving the history as best as possible. I would see that as the ideal solution, partially because then you could ask them to move it, digitize, etc.
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Patrick Scott Patterson And why would I want to do that, given the treatment of me there, being shorted thousands by previous owner and 4 years of storage fees on this stuff? TG gets nothing donated by me ever again. Gave plenty already.
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Josh Jones Scott, Ive done work with the UT Archive before, as a matter of fact, Lonnie McDonald and I did a huge donation for them, and they were just amazing to work with. They even traveled to Killeen to get the items. Just throwing my two cents into a dollar conversation
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Patrick Scott Patterson I don't doubt they are good people, but that still doesn't ensure me they'll be around 100 years from now. No offense to them, but nobody in the video game world is our Cooperstown yet, and unless I have reason to feel they are I reserve judgement. Noted example of Ottuma HOF & Museum already. I'll probably never get that stuff back. Didn't think the city would pull the plug on that but there you go.
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Tony Temple What was the situation regarding ownership of these tapes Scott? When someone submitted a score, did the tape become property of TG?
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Tina McVey Scott given the fact that you have recently talked so whole hearly of Connor Mchalek the first person to receive the "warrior award" why not offer a certain amount for the whole shibang and donate the cash to his foundation. It sounds like you dont wan...See More
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Patrick Scott Patterson I've looked into that. Since they were all mailed to my address and addressed to me by name, postal regulations may determine that they were immediately owned by the person addressed. That is moot here, though, since abandoned property laws are clear and the time has long passed for it in Texas. I made the effort with Pete to arrange for him to take possession... still have the entire e-mail exchange... but he changed his mind when he learned how much I have. Websignia-era crew didn't care when I made them aware and the current ownership knows I have this stuff and don't want it, yet has made no efforts... which would also be moot anyway, since this legally became abandoned property long before his buyout anyway. That doesn't mean I'm gonna sell it or YouTube it or build a fort with it all... but legally I could. For today it all continues to sit in the storage unit while we cleaned out the stuff that was in there with it all.
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Patrick Scott Patterson Shorter answer on that Tony is that, at least during my time there, these were treated as contest entries would be, meaning they become property of who they were sent to. The abandoned property laws came into effect later.
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Patrick Scott Patterson Tina... that actually crossed my mind today. That exact same thing... other than the 'not wanting TG to have it back' part. They can... but I'm not donating it back to them as someone else suggested. Gave enough to that joint for free already. But yeah... toss it up in a way that provides to Operation Supply Drop and Connor's Cure and to some extent recoup the thousands in storage fees I've dropped on this stuff over the past four years when I could have just tossed it long ago as others did.
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Tina McVey that has to be a huge undertaking going thru years and years of your life that you spent so much of your time away from your family.
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Tina McVey oh I get it I really do, I just want to see some good come out of all those years they took from you and your family
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Patrick Scott Patterson Tina McVey - I was stunned today to learn just how much space was taken up in there by this stuff. I could have used that room to store several refrigerators. Now, as I noted at first... a lot of it is it fluff.... tapes filled with "Fastest lap, mirror mode, track 5982" stuff on racing games nobody ever played and the like. I'm willing to bet I found maybe 15% of that stuff interesting at the time... and this amount doesn't even cover the MAME verifications. That said, before anyone pulls the "you volunteered for that" card... no, I didn't. Pete made promises he bailed on and everything I did I did under the belief that it was all leading to fufilment of his deals with me. Thank you for being one of the few people who still seems to remember that along with the ungodly amount of time I put in. I wish to move on now in a way that makes the most sense.
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Tina McVey just when its all said and done Scott you can look back on all of it and look at your family and say thank you for the countless hours and blood sweat and tears that you suffered at the hands of it all, and as a result here is what I have choosen to do with it, something that I can look upon down the road and know that it will help someone and that those blood sweat and tears and late night hours and time away from you wasnt for nothing.
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Pick Flair ..i'm currently paying monthly storage for years and years wrestling tapes and memorabilia.. i have stuff from the age of eight through age 39.. a wife a three kids after all these years and it became too much stuff for the house.. i don't consider any of it a waste of time..it made me who i am, lol.. don't know what i'm gonna do with it, but not gonna get rid of anything on the fly.. i have stuff i've never seen anywhere in pristine condition.. started collecting as a kid and when i got older and realized i had blessed my adult self when i was younger with rare gems and met traders and sellers, i just bought more stuff and never sold or traded any of my stuff..
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Lonnie McDonald My concern for you Scott is not what to do with it as it certainly could be deemed as abandon but how to proceed.
1. Send legal notice to Twin Galaxies current ownership Requiring signature. ...See More
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Robert T Mruczek Depends on the state you are in, Scott. In my own the law was quite clear. I mad a good faith effort for eight (8) months...240 days to be precise...to get the tapes picked up by TG OR to send me the funds to ship them out. So, after exhausting all options, and being pressured to get rid of them at home, I considered them abandoned property under NYS Abandoned Property Law.
I never signed a contract with TG nor was I ever a paid employee...therefore, letter of the law, I was neither staffer nor freelancer...I was a volunteer.
While I was under no LEGAL obligation at that point to turn them back, I was still concerned at the personal data contained on the player submission agreement forms. Considering that has name address birthdate AND signature, identity theft was a concern of mine, so I made arrangements to get the tapes delivered by a trusted source to a trusted custodian that was still a TG volunteer.
My hands are clean in the process. I would certainly never try to pawn off the tapes or try to sell them to third parties or benefit monetarily from the tapes when I had them.
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Robert T Mruczek BTW...considering that some of these tapes are now approaching 30 years old, oxide-degradation is a concern.
Starting the long process of sorting thousands of hours of these old TG submissions I've been paying storage on for years, which have become my property under abandoned property laws.
Here's how the first sort is going.
- All submission paperwork is being destroyed for identity safety.
- Unlabeled videotapes are being junked
- Filler records are being junked
The rest will come home with me. What happens from there I'll decide then.
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Patrick Scott Patterson Robert: The law is clear here, too. As of right here, from any angle, I'm the legal owner of every bit of this stuff. That said, if the tapes were put into the hands of other people sure enough the forms wouldn't go with them. The forms will likely be disposed of as soon as I pull this stuff out of the unit. As far as a "benefit" monetarily... considering the monies I was screwed out of previously and the money I've put into storing these, I don't see room for any "benefit"... not like I'd be gaining anything. I didn't say I was planning to auction or sell the lot but rather stating that I could do so legally if chose. As I awake this morning with plans to go finish the storage unit today I still have not made a full decision on the best way to handle this from my seat... and it will be what I determine is the best option from my seat, nobody else's. I've done far more than my share to keep this stuff in tact this long.
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Tina McVey you have been more then gracious with all of this, so has your family, time to be done with it Scott this chapter is done and time to move onto to another one
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Patrick Scott Patterson You get it, Tina. I'm sure this, as even the most simple of my posts, will be misinterpreted and overanalyzed in some circles as 33 things other than what it really is: A desire to fully move on. Hell, some accuse me of NOT moving on from that chapter, so they have little reason to question this. This is my property to do with what I want, and I will take the easiest and quickest option that makes the most sense to me and my family. Honestly not required to think of anybody else in this situation, though I'll be happy to work with those who reach out to me and wish to re-acquire their own stuff in a polite manner. Me and my family already sacrificed enough with this stuff to give any more.
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George Leutz I would take them if I could. I would have a video glitch artist make art with them live at shows, while my band plays. But I'm not at that point yet. This just gave me that idea though, so thanks:)
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Patrick Scott Patterson That's quite a cool idea, really.
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Chris Teter Sorry if I offended. I don't know the full history of TG since I'm newer to the competitive gaming world (since GGA opened). Totally understand wanting to move on. I like George's idea. I'm sure a ton of them can be discarded, and some are already dying if not dead as RTM pointed out. Still, I hope if there are any gems in there, they get preserved in digital format. Like others, I kind of wish I had the time, space, and means to make that happen.
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RIGHTS LAWS OR NOT WHERE THE FUCK IS THIS DISGRACEFUL MANS ETHICS OR MORALES
BRAGGING ABOUT OTHERS MATERIALS EVEN MY OWN IS ON THERE
